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R6 General discussion

    • 491 posts
    May 23, 2012 5:59 PM PDT

    Place your wishes / wants and debates on R6 which will be 12.04 based.

    • 491 posts
    May 23, 2012 6:01 PM PDT
    Do we want a 32 bit and 64 bit this time around? I have always stuck with 32 bit historically simply because of the vintage of most machines running wattOS, but now that we are approaching maturity with that platform finally, do we effort our way through both or not? Give me your two cents...

    biff
    • 70 posts
    May 23, 2012 7:12 PM PDT
    I understand from where your thinking comes but I wonder if it is really valid anymore. Today discarded old computers have 3 GB RAM and dual core cpu's. I think it is time to expand horizons and offer a product not only valid for yesterday's machines but worthwhile for today's machines too. However, my kids tell me that if it doesn't fit in the palm of your hand, it's obsolete. Smile! Anyway, I vote 64-bit.
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    May 23, 2012 9:31 PM PDT
    I have never understood why most LXDE distros do not include an audio control. It seems presumptuous to assume sound is just going to work for all computers. I see the old gnome-media has been refurbished as mate-media. I suggest including it. I installed it on R5 from deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ maya main upstream import. Don't think it pulls much else in and it works. Otherwise, pavucontrol.
    • 133 posts
    May 25, 2012 5:56 AM PDT

    Sylpheed, Configure, Other Wallpapers (Such as KDE's, Ubuntu's, Gnome's, and R4 's (Including the login screen?) and R5's too, other than the new R6 Wallpapers?) xfburn(?). What do you think about that (With Brasero replaced by Xfburn)?

    Maybe this setting for the clock
    %A, %B %d %Y %r or %A, %B %d %Y %R

    Allow lxde-logout to show up in the menus (go to usr/share/applications) and maybe give it a good icon
    Make the Menubar and Bookmarks Bar, or maybe even the Statusbar features addon appear by default in Midori.

    And (Sadly) a gtk theme that will also be compatible with gtk3 apps(And there are just too few!)
    Oh, yes, don't drop Jupiter.


    You might also want to create a script (Blank File) in /usr/share/applications named, for example, pcmanfm--desktop-pref.desktop and copy and paste these in the script:

     

    [Desktop Entry]
    Exec=pcmanfm --desktop-pref
    Icon=wmtweaks
    Name=LXDE Desktop Preferences
    Type=Application
    Terminal=false
    Categories=Settings;DesktopSettings;X-LXDE-Settings;
    StartupNotify=true
    OnlyShowIn=LXDE;

    • 70 posts
    May 25, 2012 12:55 PM PDT

    Sylpheed: First thing I'd remove, prefer a panel icon link to a desktop file with exec= to the following little shell script:

    #!/bin/bash
    chromium-browser http://in... &
    sleep 1
    chromium-browser http://webmaila.ne... &
    sleep 1
    chromium-browser https://mail.zo... &
    sleep 1
    chromium-browser https://mail.go... &
    fi .
    This simultaneously opens all 4 emails.
    Similarly, I have a panel link for just doing a Forums (all forums} search:

    #!/bin/bash
    chromium-browser /home/doug/Programs/search.html &
    fi .

    You can see it at the bottom of http://douwil7.100webspace.net/linux/Tuning.html#22, and stript the html code from the source page to create search.html.

    Never use wallpaper - prefer rotator with nice pictures. Xfburn is a very good burner, but so is brasero. Midori often sticks after 3 emails in the email script, so prefer Chromium which never fumbles. Shutdown in menu is good - I always put one with the 3-dimensional-appearance bright red shutdown icon. A menu help entry showing the code for setting time so people can easily set their own clock would be useful, for example, I use a short setting in order to keep panel open for more applications since I do not like desktop icons messing up my pictures. Just some ideas for having something "different" to offer users.


    This post was edited by Douglas Willett at May 25, 2012 1:44 PM PDT
    • 70 posts
    May 25, 2012 10:15 PM PDT

    Oh! One other thing. Why do no, apparently, LXDE installs include lxmed? I know it requires Java, and Java is heavy, but any operating system worth anything should have Java, also. I'm not sure Open JDK is good enough to launch lxmed, though.


    This post was edited by Douglas Willett at May 25, 2012 10:15 PM PDT
    • 5 posts
    May 28, 2012 12:37 PM PDT
    I personally like midori and would be interested to see the difference in resources used between various browsers for common tasks (browsing, downloading, streaming video...). if you are going to drop midori, I'd rather see chromium or iron then chrome. Even better would be an option to choose between a couple of options during install as browsers (and music players) tend to be personal preference over performance. A couple of other suggestions would be: An xfce4/openbox version as these combine to create a nice desktop environment and a web install iso version so I can use my tiny 256MB usb stick for installations. Since this is my first post I would like to add that I fix old "broken" computers and give them to people who have limited needs (web browsing and word processing). WattOS was my distro of choice for the last two I gave away and I haven't heard any complaints.
    • 151 posts
    May 28, 2012 8:26 PM PDT
    I think we should consider the E17 desktop. It isn't that hard to learn, and it's super light.
    • 5 posts
    May 29, 2012 12:31 PM PDT
    One other thought I had was marking it as WattOS R6 LTS as this might interest people.
    • 68 posts
    May 31, 2012 8:10 AM PDT

    @Douglas re LXMed and the need for Java

    Have you had a look at LXMenuEditor ?

    URL : http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=138298

    Haven't checked it myself (yet), but agree a menu editor would be a good addition.

    I do wonder idly what happens to the edited menu when there are updates from either wattOS or upstream eg if I move some "Preferences" item to "SystemTools". That question applies no matter how the menu is edited.


    This post was edited by teejay . at May 31, 2012 8:11 AM PDT
    • 70 posts
    May 31, 2012 11:03 AM PDT
    The LXMenuEditor download at the link you gave is just a long piece of text with no instructions on what to do with it. I consider Java an essential ingredient of an operating system - would not consider one without it - too many good java apps. Lxmed is just one of them.
    • 70 posts
    May 31, 2012 9:21 PM PDT

    I think that I figured out Midori's problem.  Nunol on the Mint LXDE Forum pointed out that unchecking Enable Scripts in Midori's Preferences/Behavior seems to eliminate crashes.  The catch is that one of the scripts disabled by doing this is Javascript, which is untenable for anyone doing much browsing.  For example, my main email, Zoho,  requires Java to open, gmail gives you a choice, etc.  So, for at least me, Java has to be enabled.  Apparently, Midori's ability to handle Javascript is limited.  When it gets too heavy, it crashes.

    • 133 posts
    June 1, 2012 9:59 AM PDT

    Here are some great gtk3 themes. One of them should be R6's default, like the Zukitwo Wise theme (or Zukitwo light/dark with a customised colour scheme). Note: in ppa:webupd8team/themes there are Linux Mint's themes, literally!

     

    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/themes

    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:satyajit-happy/themes

    • 491 posts
    June 1, 2012 3:48 PM PDT
    great stuff folks, keep it up. Love to look at the ideas and opinions for the next release :)

    biff
    • 5 posts
    June 1, 2012 4:25 PM PDT
    One tiny annoyance I had with R5 was setting the default programs to use when opening files with specific extensions. I did three installs last month and setting the defaults was one extra step after each. I don't know how easy/hard having these preset would be as I'm more of a hardware person then software.
    • 133 posts
    June 1, 2012 8:36 PM PDT

    For the sake of fairness, here's one with openbox. The gtk theme stays the same. I was going to use an Openbox theme from box-look.org, but Onyx seems to be good enough. Title font: Sans and Freesans. This one can actually be R6's default, maybe with a new wallpaper alogside R4's and R5's.


    This post was edited by Dave . at June 1, 2012 8:38 PM PDT
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    June 1, 2012 9:44 PM PDT
    Hey everybody, keep in mind "light-fast-now".....
    • 133 posts
    June 2, 2012 7:00 AM PDT
    ...which probably means the themes in my first 2 photos, with xfwm4, won't be good. But my last one with openbox should comply, right?
    • 70 posts
    June 2, 2012 2:33 PM PDT

    "light-fast-now"      Apparently, "fast" implies 64-bit:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1204_3264&num=1

    • 151 posts
    June 2, 2012 5:52 PM PDT
    @ Dave., yup. That's why I asked to consider E17 desktop. @ Douglas, light-fast-now is the slogan for wattOS, the idea is to run on older hardware and not have to buy a new pc.
    • 70 posts
    June 2, 2012 8:44 PM PDT

    Hi Leenie. My last new computer has happened, some time ago. I think we have different views of old. A hundred dollars buys 2Gz dual-core CPU and 2GB Ram these days - that is old. The way I see the Linux world - a bundle of itsy distros and another bundle of fat ones. There is a void inbetween which is where I would put Watt. Big enough on which to build a true working computer but small enough to slim down to be run-able with ancient hardware. Smile, smile.  Slogan:  Get the job done with WattOS.


    This post was edited by Douglas Willett at June 2, 2012 8:47 PM PDT
    • 133 posts
    June 3, 2012 5:03 AM PDT
    For me, an old CPU is one with <500Mb of RAM and one that has "Windows 98" or "Windows 2000" and "Pentium III" written on it's stickers, while for me one with 1Gb of RAM and "Windows XP" and "Pentium IV" written on it's stickers is somewhat "New" (My CPU is a 1Gb RAM CPU with Pentium IV, though it also has an Nvidia 6200 Card so it's not too bad). WattOS R4 Live runs nicely on a CPU with the former specifications in Live mode. Wanted to install R5 on it, but I'll just wait for R6.
    • 68 posts
    June 3, 2012 5:21 AM PDT
    On "32- and 64-bit editions" :
    Is producing a 64-bit edition a small incremental task ? How would the production of a 64 affect the delivery of the 32 ?
    What would be the minimum system requirements for the 64 ?
    Is there a timeframe for discontinuation of 32-bit Linux ?
    Since KW at Lubuntu produced a 64-bit build, I assume he would be able to share some experience.
    Having tried R5 on a C2D box, I know it's fast. I'd say that if anyone wants faster then they must have some cpu-intensive computing to do. In which case, why not follow Phoronix's earlier article about wattOS (albeit R4) and use native Ubuntu.
    • 68 posts
    June 3, 2012 6:12 AM PDT
    Things I would like to see in the R6 iso : (as opposed to being able to readily add/change after install)
    - inxi . I generally install hardinfo, but ISTM inxi is the "standard" base info for troubleshooting, and can save a lot of command line work
    - a menu editor for LXDE, provided there's a lightweight one which works
    - an MD5 sum checker

    I would prefer that wattOS remain small enough for CD rather than DVD, and I agree with the idea in another forum that the install CD should be primarily about LiveCD, installation and initial config.
    Also in another forum was the idea that wattOS menus could contain an item opening to a text box briefly outlining readily available packages for this menu area. So, one such outline for Accessories, one for Office, one for Graphics and so on. I reckon that has merit.
    Include a way to remove such outlines (ie uninstall the txt box), so as not to annoy experienced users.

    (Apologies to those whose ideas I appropriated.)